Dedicated AU-517 Page (better photo quality, same content): here!
Update August 2020:
I had to go back and fix something I did early on in this restoration, involving the 10D7C diodes. I had put replacements in for them, which did not have an appropriate forward voltage drop.
See the article on this update here: https://hallmanlabs.com/2020/05/29/more-sansui-au-517-preview-of-latest-issues-solutions/
Since I did this update in June, the AU-517 has been my sole amplifier; its tonal signature just feels so natural. I prefer it over my Yamaha RX-V863, especially for HiFi stereo sources. The AU-517 is designed around maximizing stereo sound, where the Yamaha has tons of features and circuitry for multi-channel sound. Considering that most DSD and 384kHz FLAC are stereo, the AU-517 has obvious advantages over the RX-V863. Also, the AU-517 does a very good job at running dual sets of stereo speakers (off a single stereo source).
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Looking for info that isn’t provided in this article (like a detailed dive into the design of the AU-517)? Check out our other article on the AU-517 here!
Service Manual here!
Full Schematic of AU-517 here!
Sansui Brochure w/ Performance Data here!
We are back from a 3 month hiatus and I’ve got a special article for you guys/gals, this will eventually transition into at least one dedicated page, maybe multiples. This is a project of decently high complexity; one that I have been working on for a good while, restoring/repairing my Sansui AU-517. When the AU-517 was originally donated (Dec 2017) it did work, partially. When you turned the volume up to beyond 60-70%, the entire unit would shut off. This is probably from too much AC ripple being allowed in with old primary power capacitors.
I put the amp on my list of things to fix and slowly began to acquire the parts required to restore this historic amplifier, a true DC design. When it wasn’t yet working, the unit was still worth about $100-$200, as it showed no signs of damage. Now that I’ve fully restored the unit, it should be worth $500-$700! When you consider I only had $75 invested in parts, that is a nice flip. I’ve invested a little more into the amp, to make it really last, replacing the 24V relay, as well as all the fuse-resistors on the driver boards, and all new variable resistors (trim-pots). The last replacement to do is the primary power transistors, but I don’t think I need that yet. The biggest improvement most people notice is the main 12,000 uF power capacitors, especially for bass performance and overall transient performance.
Here we see the original amplifier in stock form. You may notice what looks like leakage around the base of the capacitors, but that is actually a type of glue/cement used to hold the larger caps steady. This glue should be cleaned up, since it can become conductive as it ages and it can corrode metal (i.e. component leads).
Part Selection Overview
Replacement Electrolytic Capacitors:
BC Philips 12,000 uF 63V
Nichicon Fine Gold
Nichicon Muse ES (Bi-Polar)
Replacement Film Capacitors:
Siemens Film Caps
Seacor Film Caps
EMZ Film Caps
Vishay Film Caps
Arcotronics Film Caps
Panasonic Stacked PET Film Caps
Dale IHD-1 1.5 uH 15% (High Current, High Frequency Inductor (for DC filter curve of signal output) (x2)
These 2W-5W resistors are found on the left and right channel driver boards as well as the Power Supply & Protector Circuit. They are notorious for causing noise issues as they age. Say you had an 8-10A spike headed for the driver boards, R44, R45 and R47 (the ones that look like cement boxes) are made to blow in order to protect the driver circuits and speakers.
Sources for AU-517 Parts:
The majority of the smaller electrolytic capacitors used are from a kit by a store called “Audio High End“. You can find them either on EBay or through their website. My experience with them is mixed, perhaps just some bad luck (3 times though?). They do provide all the capacitors needed for restoration in the basic kit (except the four 12,000uF 63V power caps). My first issue was the fact that when my kit arrived, it was missing about 8 capacitors from the list I was provided.
Another wrinkle in the story with “Audio High End Store”. I told them I couldn’t find 10uF BP (bi-polar) capacitors used in the AU-517, then I found out they sent the 10uF Muse BP capacitors by mistake. So, that is why my tone control is acting so strangely. For now I’ll just keep the tone control switched on defeat until the replacement capacitors arrive. This will be the 3rd time they are sending capacitors out to me, I’m trying to stay patient. It helps that the amplifier works 100% (aside from the tone control circuit).
I contacted them 5 or 6 times to get the missing capacitors sent out and it took at least 2 months for me to get them. I’m not sure if they made a mistake when making the kit or if a few fell out of the box during transit. Either way, they got me what I needed and they are usually quick to respond to email. For the sake of transparency, I was provided a 20% discount in exchange for talking about my experience with their kit. I should also point out the fact I used multiple capacitors I already had in place of their all Nichicon lineup, I swapped in Panasonic FM and Rubycon RX30 capacitors on the Power Supply & Protect Board.
Top down shot of the AU-517 amp completely restored and working, clean enough to eat off of, almost!
BC Philips 12,000uF 63V Capacitors with Seacor Film 1uF 100V, this emulates the stock setup, but with all modern components. These are NOS (New Old Stock) Seacor film capacitors from 1989. They test near perfectly on multiple performance testing devices I have (EDS 88A-II, Extech 380193, etc). Based on their construction film capacitors (especially NOS) last much longer than electrolytics.
Aside from Audio High End, I sourced the primary 12,000 uF 63V capacitors from a well established EBay seller. I chose BC Philips over the more commonly seen choices, such as Nippon-Chemicon, Nichicon KG (modern equivalent to OEM CEW part) and Rubycon. I purchased these BC Philips instead from seller “the_electronics_superstore_2014” on Ebay. There are those who think buying any components on EBay is a bad idea, but I have been doing it for over 10 years and I’ve yet to receive a bad component. Switching gears to talking about the actual audio quality, during my testing the headroom for the restored AU-517 is phenomenal! Well beyond what I expect to ever need unless I use it as a PA at some point.
Along side the new models, we have the original Nichicon CEW 12,000uF capacitors and their Nippon film 1uf capacitors.
Another shot of the amp before restoration. I had already replaced x4 220uF capacitors with Panasonic’s FM model, before I decided to do a full recap, rest is OEM parts.
Here you have the Power Supply & Protect Board on the left and the Equalizer circuit board on the right, with the dual mono-block drivers in between.
I pulled from my own stock of Siemens, Arcotronics, EMZ, Seacor, Panasonic, Nippon, and Vishay film capacitors. I recommend replacing the original green Mylar films, if you are going to bother to remove all the PCBs. Replacing the remaining capacitors is optional as most of it is not in the signal path, most of the ceramics are coupling or decoupling of power rails to things like transistors.
Original Tone Control board before restoration.
Tone control board restored
Good shot of the primary issue for a lot of users online the Power Supply & Protect board. It’s possible to manually clean and polish the relay (contacts) if yours isn’t closing fully and causing drop out or intermittent issues, such as balance misalignment.
If you look closely at the board above, there are 4 sets of 4 diodes (black cylinders with a stripe on one end), the top left set of diodes (purple stripe) has two much larger diodes (white stripe) in the center of the set. This is because when I was first testing the amp on my trust 2000VA Variac, these diodes would start smoking around 35V (AC). For those who can’t afford a dedicated variac, here is a guide to show you how to use a light bulb as a budget variac.
So I pulled out the PCB and checked the diodes, sure enough the two middle ones had shorted out and if I had thrown full power to the amp, it probably would have blown these diodes in pieces considering they smoked at about 1/4 of the full voltage. I didn’t mean to use such large replacements, but it was the only kind I had of the right type, that were at or above spec. Never de-rate a diode replacement. Many circuits require you to use the same type of diodes for proper function. For more information on AU-517/717 diodes problems and their modern replacement, see this great thread on AudioKarma.
One of the two restored/re-capped main driver circuits (mono-block)
Upgrade Part 2: Resistors and Inductors (Original on Right, New on Left)
I plan to replace all “Fuse-Resistors” like the 0.33 ohm 5W and the 2.2 ohm 2W, but I want to hear how it is with the re-cap only first. This way, I will be able to determine what upgrade changed what sound properties. If you upgrade everything at once, you can’t say for sure what upgrade did what. I also have five 1.5 uH Dale inductors.
Tone control board before restoration
Tone Control Board after restore: Siemens film, Nichicon Fine Gold and Vishay film capacitors.
Restored Tone Control Board from another angle
This project wasn’t without hiccups; one of my four 12,000 uF 63V BC Philips capacitors actually blew and vented! This discouraged me greatly the night it happened, but after just a few minutes researching during the following day I found the problem. I hooked up the metal rail (looks like a grounding rail at first glance) to the negative terminals of the 4 capacitors and then put the twisted pairs of colored wires to the positive connection on each capacitor. Thank God I bring up new equipment on my 2000VA variac, as this saved the other 3 capacitors. Had I thrown it into an outlet immediately and hit it with 120V, it would have most likely blown all 4 of them. By chance I had one spare BC 12,000 uF capacitor on hand. After correcting the wiring to what is shown in the diagram below, the amp worked immediately. I believe I literally danced around the room when this happened.
AU-517/717 Wiring Help:
Although the diagram below isn’t pretty, it gives all the information you need to hook up your power caps correctly (for the AU-517) and not blow them up like I did one of mine. Blowing up components is sometimes a part of the journey of learning in ECE, just don’t electrocute yourself. Always, always, always use fuses between the hot line and the positive power input on the device, especially on circuits that are DIY (fully or partially). On the note of safety, I can’t think of a smarter investment than a variac (variable transformer) for those working with either vintage electronics or new DIY projects. A variac allows you to bring up devices slowly and safely. You can catch issues before they explode, like my smoking diodes. Variacs range in price from $20 used to $2000 and more for top of the line. Get only what you really need and spend that extra cash elsewhere.
Viewed from looking down on the bottom side of the amplifier (amp flipped upside down)
This amplifier is not easy to take apart or put back together if you want to actually remove the boards to give you easy access to the components for replacement. I managed my way by using a lot of pictures that I took of the amplifier before I ever took anything apart. I am sharing these photos in the hopes that it may help you if you are having wiring trouble.
When I thought I had killed my amplifier when one of the main power capacitors started to vent, I was sure I just blew it (literally). Never give up unless you are either exhausted working on the thing so much or if you are pouring more money into fixing it than it cost to buy a new one, of course the AU-517 isn’t on the shelf at any Best Buy!
Bottom of Power Supply & Protect board
Power Supply & Protect Board’s center and some of the bottom wiring shown in place. Note: the red wire was already removed when I took the photo, but it’s near the hole it goes in.
Here you can see the bottom connections for the Power Supply & Protect board.
(Equalizer Circuit Board) One of 3 cables that is actually 3 shielded conductors in one (gray jacketed one) There are multiples ones like this.
The other two 3-in-1 cables and their respective locations
A few more from pictures I took before anything had been taken apart (minus the 4 power caps).
A good shot of the Power Supply & Protect board’s bottom wiring
Overall wiring of any connections on the bottom. Don’t forget to right click image and view/open new tab to see full size.
Headphone jack, tone control and speaker select wiring.
Some of the driver board and some of the equalizer board connections, also shown earlier at a different angle.
Overall, I am extremely satisfied with the outcome of this initial restoration/recapping and the only things left to do are clean the volume pot, fix the tone controls and replace a few fixed and variable resistors, as well as the items below.
After receiving a well thought out and well written “Service and Restoration Info Guide” on the AU-517/717 from Ebay Seller “s9radio“, I decided to replace the relay all together. They are a common cause of noise, especially as the contacts age. It’s possible to restore the original if you take the time to truly disassemble, clean and then polish each contact. The new relay looks a little different, but mostly the same. You can get yourself one of these right here.
One other major shortcoming of the AU-517/717 is the old style spring loaded speaker terminals. Over the years the springs get old and have less clamping pressure, as well as 40 years of oxidation to the copper contacts. This is by no means a new idea and I am only following the lead of those who came before me and worked on this line of amplifiers. I went with Rhodium plated terminals, considered one of the best contact treatments/coatings for the mid-range crowd.
This is all for now, but if you have any specific questions, feel free to leave a comment below or contact me using the contact me tab. As always, thanks for reading Hallman Labs!
8 thoughts on “Sansui AU-517 Complete Re-Cap/Restoration | It’s Alive; Updated 3/27/19”
thanks for your sharing,I am also want to try by my self to restore my sansui Au 517 but I am not a profesional in electronic I just an accountant who love audio equipment .maybe you can help me when I am stuck with my project ,thanks
Just wanted You to know You aren’t the only one with bad luck. I ordered the capacitors from the High audio Store on the 16th Feb for repairing a Pioneer Amp and I’m still waiting…Today I’ve sent an email. I got a reply they would contact me soon…
I’m sorry to hear that you too have had issues with your capacitor order, over at “AudioHighEnd.” Did you get the kit with some of the capacitors wrong/missing, or has it just not arrived after a long wait?
It sounds like these guys/gals need to work on their quality control and responsiveness.
In terms of the actual capacitor quality, all the capacitors they sent tested within their rated ESR and DCR values. So, I don’t think that should be a concern, it’s just trying to get the right capacitors to you that they struggle with.
Thanks for reading Hallman Labs!
It has not arrived yet. I Will wait 30 days and then open a dispute process.
Hello. I´m very glad to find this discussion.
I had an old AU-517and I have been use it for over two years. I love it. However the unit has been failing recently. The protection´s relay flashing and turn it out the sound when the volume is for over 40%-50%. That problem is worst when I try to listen to music with a big charge of Bass or low frequencies or when the loudness is active.
I would to bring it back to life. When I read about a totally recap of that AU-517 unit I blew my mind because I really like the Sansui sound. I live in Colombia and I so sure that get the components it´s not possible here with luck I´ll find a good expertise professional that accept the challenge. But if I get the right components to solve this issue specifically, the half of my problem will be solve.
Perhaps you can give a little help.
– it will be necessary a totally recap or is it possible a recap of specifics parts considering the symptoms of the unit.
Thank very much..
Thanks for sharing information about your problem, I have had the exact same issue.
When the unit cuts off when you turn the power above 40-50% volume, there are a few possibilities as to the cause.
1: Outside of spec (or failing) main AC filtering capacitors. When you crank the power up, the amount of AC ripple allowed through will increase and the unit will shut off, to protect itself.
2: One or more of the main Power Transistors are failing and can’t handle more than 40% volume.
3: One (or both) of the transformers are out of spec.
4: Your mains (power at the outlet) has an over abundance of transient spikes.
I would not recommend doing a complete re-cap, if your main goal is to fix the unit turning off at 40-50% volume. I’d first check the output from the transformer and then the output from the main AC filtering capacitors.
This problem is not something I can tell you exactly what is wrong, but these four scenarios are the most likely to cause those symptoms.
Feel free to reply back anytime and I’ll help you the best I can.
Hi Hallman Labs,
I can’t find the Service and Restoration Info Guide form S9Radio, is it possible to buy it form you?
Henk Tittel (the Netherlands)
I find it pretty odd that they stopped selling those. I mean, it’s already written, they just have to print them off. Possibly due to low sales? Still, I’d keep them listed (he might be on vacation).
Unfortunately I can’t actually sell them, it’d be copyright infringement. I will say, a lot of the knowledge mentioned in that guide is expressed on this page.
Have you tried to message them through Ebay?
Sorry about that,